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Yes ladies and gentelemen, the apocalypse is upon us!Behold the horros of a unified WRESTLING WORLD AT LONG LAST, THE TWO GREATEST POWERS IN PROFESSIONAL WRESTLING HAVE BECOME ONE!!!!!!!!!!!

But don't take MY word for it. Read these articlesfrom WrestleStock.com and WWF.com itself!! The Wrestling World has been lit on fire by this news! With the death of ECW, this left only the WWF and WCW as the dominant powers in Pro Wrestling. Now, the WWF and the strongest member of the original National Wrestling Alliance are under solitary ownership.

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It's Official! WWF Buys WCW!
March 23, 2001

John "Freakboy" Brodigan
freakboy@wrestlestock.com


World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Inc. has announced that they've acquired WCW from Turner Broadcasting.

New WCW programming is expect to air on TNN in the future, but cross-promotion between the WWF and WCW may start as early as Monday night during WWF Raw Is War on TNN and the final performance of WCW Monday Nitro Live on TNT.

The agreement provides WWFE with the global rights to the WCW brand, tape library, and other intellectual property rights.

"This acquisition is the perfect creative and business catalyst for our company," said Linda McMahon, CEO of WWFE. "This is a dream combination for fans of sports entertainment. The incendiary mix of World Wrestling Federation and WCW personalities potentially creates intriguing storylines that will attract a larger fan base to the benefit of our advertisers and business partners, and propel sports entertainment to new heights."

"The acquisition of the WCW brand is a strategic move for us," said Stuart Snyder, President and COO for WWFE. "We are assuming a brand with global distribution and recognition. We are adding thousands of hours to our tape library that can be repurposed for home videos, television, Internet streaming, and broadband applications. The WCW opens new opportunities for growth in our Pay Per View, live events, and consumer products divisions, as well as the opportunity to develop new television programming using new stars. We also will create additional advertising and sponsorship opportunities. In short, it is a perfect fit."
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World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Inc. Acquires WCW from Turner Broadcasting

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Cross-Brand Storylines To Create Intriguing Possibilities for Fans Expected to Increase Television Ratings, PPV Buys STAMFORD, Conn., March 23, 2001 - World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Inc. (NYSE: WWF) today announced its purchase of the World Championship Wrestling (WCW) brand from Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. (TBS Inc.), a division of AOL Time Warner.

The purchase of WCW creates a tag team partnership with the World Wrestling Federation brand that is expected to propel the sports entertainment genre to new heights.

In keeping with the company's strategic alliance with Viacom, new WCW programming is anticipated to air on TNN in the near future. The possibility of cross-brand storylines and intrigue, however, may start as early as Monday night during WWF Raw Is War on TNN and the final performance of WCW Monday Nitro Live on Turner Network Television (TNT).

The binding agreement provides World Wrestling Federation Entertainment with the global rights to the WCW brand, tape library, and other intellectual property rights.

World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Inc. Acquires WCW from Turner Broadcasting

"This acquisition is the perfect creative and business catalyst for our company," said Linda McMahon, Chief Executive Officer of World Wrestling Federation Entertainment. "This is a dream combination for fans of sports entertainment. The incendiary mix of World Wrestling Federation and WCW personalities potentially creates intriguing storylines that will attract a larger fan base to the benefit of our advertisers and business partners, and propel sports entertainment to new heights."

"The acquisition of the WCW brand is a strategic move for us," said Stuart Snyder, President and Chief Operating Officer for World Wrestling Federation Entertainment. "We are assuming a brand with global distribution and recognition. We are adding thousands of hours to our tape library that can be repurposed for home videos, television, Internet streaming, and broadband applications. The WCW opens new opportunities for growth in our Pay Per View, live events, and consumer products divisions, as well as the opportunity to develop new television programming using new stars. We also will create additional advertising and sponsorship opportunities. In short, it is a perfect fit."

World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, Inc. is an integrated media and entertainment company headquartered in Stamford, Connecticut, with sale offices in New York City, Chicago and Toronto. The company is an equal partner with NBC in the XFL, a new professional football league. The company can be found online at wwf.com and wwfecorpbiz.com

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Forward-Looking Statements : This news release contains forward-looking statements which are subject to various risks and uncertainties. These risks and uncertainties include the conditions of the markets for live events, broadcast television, cable television, pay-per-view, Internet, food and beverage, entertainment, professional sports, and licensed merchandise; acceptance of the Company's brands, media and merchandise within those markets; and other risks and factors identified in documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Actual results could differ materially from those currently anticipated.

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Conference call with McMahon & Snyder
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Linda McMahon, Chief Executive Officer of World Wrestling Federation Entertainment, and Stuart Snyder, President and Chief Operating Officer of the company, participated in a conference call with the media Friday night just after the announcement that World Wrestling Federation Entertainment had purchased World Championship Wrestling (WCW). Here is the transcript of the call:
Linda McMahon: WCW has been a rival organization to WWF for quite some time. They have had the opportunity of being on the Turner Broadcast network for many years, under the title of WCW and prior to that, NWA, and I'm not quite sure what some of the other names were, I think Georgia Championship Wrestling at one time. It's had several owners and several years of building a brand. In and around 1995-1996, they became a very heavy competitor of ours, coming on Monday nights with their Monday Nitro program against our RAW IS WAR program, on Monday nights from 9 to 11. We did head-to-head and they had a brief run of catching us and surpassing us in the ratings for a bit, using a lot of the WWF Superstars at that particular point which they had put under contract to WCW. So it's been a competitive environment. We've always welcomed good competition. It seems now there is a different program at Turner Broadcasting, and it's an opportunity for WWF to acquire a global recognized brand -- certainly in a genre that we understand how to create stars, promote, and to develop this business opportunity.

We're very pleased to have come to an agreement with WCW to purchase that brand.
Question: How much did you purchase the assets for?

Linda: At this time we are not going to address that issue. It's not an important part of this conversation this afternoon and we are respecting the policy of AOL not to address that.

Question: Will you be taking over the contracts of the wrestlers, or will AOL Time Warner have to settle some of those contracts, and then you would sign them after AOL settles with them? Can you explain that situation a little bit?

Linda: There is a combination of factors going on. We are assuming some contracts, and some contracts we are not. It's proprietary at this point and part of the ongoing T-crossing and I-dotting that we are doing at this time with AOL Time Warner and WCW. I can't be more specific than that today.

Question: How about the advertising contracts? I know that WCW was selling time on the TBS and TNT telecasts. Will you make good on them?

Linda: We have no obligation at all to make good any of the advertising. We will not be on TNT or WTBS, so any advertising deals that we have going forward, we will negotiate and create anew.

Question: How early did these talks begin?

Linda: A few months ago it became pretty clear that WCW may be available for purchase. We had very serious talks with WCW and actually went down a path of negotiation. But really our arrangement with Viacom at that particular time made that deal not be one that we could execute the way we thought we could. So we passed. I think that was when Fusient was really heavily involved with its negotiations.

Question: How much of a challenge is it to keep up the momentum? I think it's fair to say your ratings and your product has really been driven by competition. Isn't it kind of easy to kick back and spend less on what you produce now?

Linda: Oh no. Just the opposite. Having the opportunity with a new tape library, with a new infusion of stars, with the potential of intriguing cross-brand storylines between WWF and WCW, I think does nothing but raise the specter of the potential of what we can now do having these two very rival brands under one umbrella. I think it's just the opposite of complacency, it's an absolute excitement to go forward now with the opportunities that we have with this organization.

Question: What are the plans with WCW? Is this going to remain a separate television product? Will there be Pay-Per-Views that are just WCW only? I've heard some speculation that you may put WCW on TNN for a year, and then fold it into the WWF.


Linda: There is some potential opportunity for it to be on TNN as separate programming. I think at this point it's a bit premature to say exactly how we're going to develop the plan. We are looking at all aspects. Our intent is to have it remain and retain its own identity as WCW. But how we cross-promote and cross-brand it, and what television programming we're developing is still in the very formative stages.

Question: Is this the crowing achievement for the World Wrestling Federation today?

Linda: It is certainly an achievement and it's exciting because it has been a rival brand. But I don't think we ever look at anything as a crowning achievement. Hopefully it is today's achievement and we're looking forward to tomorrow's. But this clearly a great acquisition for us. There's been a lot of hard work and diligence. Stu was really able to craft and to negotiate this deal and put it forward. He had prior relationships with Turner. He was there for several years and knew Brad Siegel very well, and I believe it was that relationship that helped cement this deal and negotiate the particulars. So we're very pleased with that outcome.

Question: What type of performers from the WCW will you bring over, as far as seeing Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair any of the top names in with the stars that are in the WWF?


Linda: It's kind of proprietary at this particular point. I'm not prepared to state what stars and what contracts will be assumed and not. We'll be releasing that information probably over the next several days or couple of weeks. Just be prepared to see a great deal of excitement with this new combination.

Question: Question on the earnings impact of this deal. Any predictions or projections?

Linda: Not at this time. I really want to wait until we're more prepared to release that information and give some guidance. I think it's a bit premature, except that we certainly expect as an investment in this brand that it'll pay nice profits as we expand our Internet business. There will down the road be an expansion of our Pay-Per-View business, and the re-purposing of thousands of hours of a videotape library. So this is a good acquisition for us to be utilized in ways that we know very clearly how to use it.

Question: When you say expanding the Pay-Per-View business does that mean that there's going to be additional Pay-Per-Views?

Linda: In the future I'm sure there will be. And I'm not sure if that's the near future, the immediate future or a little bit down the road. We have to really get our arms around this and get all of the creative lined up and promoted, marketed in a way that makes sense for our fans and for the new stars of the WCW combined with WWF.

Question: As you got a closer look at the financials, were there anything in there you found surprising?

Stuart: There really weren't many surprises. It's been fairly widespread reported in regards to the state of the company, so there was really no surprises from that standpoint or very few surprises. Once we committed to enter the conversation again for the second time, we were able to move fairly quickly to an agreement.

Question: Where you surprised that Turner decided to bail on the programming?

Stuart: No, there was no surprise there. Through our conversations, we understand that they were going down (a different road) in regards to their networks. The first time that we were having conversations, the idea was that the programming would stay on a Turner network, but due to our exclusive arrangement with Viacom, and the economics of what would have had to be done, we decided to pass. Once we started the conversations again, it was clear that if we were going to move forward with Turner regarding the acquisition of this brand, that that program would not be on the Turner networks, so that we would be free to do with it what we felt was best for the brand and our company.

Question: Are you doing with the idea that the currency that you're expecting with the XFL won't materialize?

Linda: No. These are totally separate things. This was the opportunity to buy an additional brand and whether we had the XFL or didn't have the XFL, this is a smart, strategic business decision and a good investment for us. We're grabbing it because it is just that kind of an opportunity.


Question: Obviously there will be some kind of re-launch of WCW on television. Is there any timetable? Will the channels fall within Viacom?

Linda: We expect that there will be programming within the Viacom family. We have a potential with TNN. We are in discussions with them on that. It will take us a few weeks to have a proper launch of the program. We just have to work with our production people and our creative people to see what makes sense.

Question: So essentially you will be following through with WCW going on hiatus until you're ready to re-launch?

Linda: Correct, but you ought to be watching Monday night. We might have a little tease for you on Monday night.

Question: It says in the press release that WCW is anticipated to air on TNN. Could there be another possible cable network?

Linda: At this particular time, we haven't decided how much programming we will do. With our Viacom strategic alliance, clearly the first option for those programs is within the Viacom family.

Question: So there may not be two, two-hour primetime events per week?

Linda: There may not or there may. There could be more than that. It's just a question of our evolving that total plan with our strategic alliance partner, Viacom.

Question: Is it fairly safe to say that this deal with have an effect on the upcoming WrestleMania Pay-Per-View?

Linda: Possibly. (Laughs) Now you know better than (to ask) that!

Question: How does this affect WCW licensing as far as EA Sports handled their video games. Will THQ now handle their titles?

Stuart: We are working through the many details and finishing off in regards to how it all plays out. Our deal does not include pre-payments or other unearned amounts. So basically, we are assuming some merchandise and license agreements. We're going through the agreements that we currently have, the ones that we are acquiring in the transaction, and we'll take the next step to avoid the conflicts. It's going to take us about a week to finalize those details.

Question: In Fusient, there was a period of time until the sale officially went through. Is there a similar waiting period with this agreement?

Linda: We have signing a binding letter of agreement. We have a long form that we expect to execute next week, with all the commas and everything in it that has to be. But this is a binding deal and we're moving ahead.

Question: WCW's ratings are at an all-time low, especially with your demographic. Were there any thoughts of just folding WCW considering what has happened to it?

Linda: You look at all things across the board. Let's put everything in perspective. While their ratings have been a fair amount lower than ours, if you look at cable programming in general, WCW really has a very respectable rating. A brand that has been built for this many years and does have global recognition, is something of great value to us and we would not want to fold it and put it in a drawer. That was not the intent of this purchase.

Question: What are some of the things you think need to be done to turn WCW around?

Linda: I'm certainly going to leave that up to our creative folks to get their arms around what the storylines and the driving weekly episodic dramas are going to be. But you will clearly see the interest with the WCW and we will use the power of the cross-branding with the WWF to drive that interest.

Question: With the acquisition of the vast archives, is an all-wrestling network a consideration?

Linda: That's not something that's in the immediate future with us, but perhaps down the road, a cable channel is not out of the question. That's for future development and not anything for the very near future for us.

Question: Is this deal a stock deal? A cash deal?

Linda: I can tell you that it is not a stock deal. This is just a very clean deal for WCW. It's a very clean deal for us.

Question: Will Monday's Nitro be rewritten? Is it going to be your team that does that?

Linda: All I can say is that are talks going back and forth between both production teams and that's out of my bailiwick. I can certainly say you ought to stay tuned.

Question: Will some of the talents that you have under developmental contracts or that you've signed from ECW be appearing on WCW?

Linda: Possibility. I'm not intentionally being vague; those are just answers that we don't have at this moment because we're still getting our arms around the creative.

Question: Will you take over WCW's lawsuits or are they AOL Time Warner's responsibilities?

Stuart: Anything in regards to prior lawsuits stays with AOL Time Warner.

Question: Can you us a clear timetable for the negotiations?

Stuart: It's safe to say that approximately three and a half weeks ago, we re-engaged in conversations. It's a small world and clearly we were at the place first. And as things transpired for whatever the reasons were, there was an opportunity to have a conversation again, and our interest have also been there in regards to working something out with AOL Time Warner. So it was natural for those talks to re-engage if and when there was an opportunity for them to occur. There was an opportunity, and both parties moved quickly to conclude an arrangement.

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There you have it. For me, especially, this is a great thing. From a professional and a personal view, this purchase can only lead to bigger and better things for the WWF and WCW, and for up and coming pro wrestlers as well. ECW may be gone, but the WWF and WCW will only serve to strengthen each other, and in turn, raise the standard for Professional Wrestling as a whole. There is a LOT of background that these two have. Some of it shared history from when both promotions were part of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA). If anymore details crop up, I'll try to bring them here for anyone else who may be interested!

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>_>

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c_C @ Sorcerer.

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Sheep. Baaaa.

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~gets her knitting kit out~ n_n Glub.

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This is great news for me, personally, as I said. I dunno how many wrestling fans are actually visitors to the board, but I'd love to hear from you about your thoughts on this. For me, this is big because I am a wrestler in training. The idea of corss promotion is not new, but it hasn't been done among the major wrestling powers for many years. But twenty to thirty years ago, it was very common. Matches between AWA World Heavyweight Champion Rick "The Model" Martel and WWF World Champion Bob Backlund were classics. The same was true for matches between Backlund and NWA World Champion Harley Race. In a true twist of Irony, Hulk Hogan nearly upended Race for the NWA World Championship just one month prior to becoming World Wrestling Federation Champion! We may now see some serious interpromotional battles between these Megapowers of wrestling. In fact, if the ORIGINAL nWo were to return, there could be quite a story in that.

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quote:
Originally posted by George Aguirre:
c_C @ Sorcerer.

...refrain from sheep-ing unless you know what you're doing.


What made ya think that Georgie?
For your info,i wasn't sheepin'^_^

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.........


Daaaaaaaaaaa. u_u;;

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Because, my friend, you aren't on IRC, on the channel where the selected social group that started that trend is! ^_^ If you knew what we planned then you wouldn't have posted that.

Oh and Marc, hm... I guess it IS important but uh...... what does it mean to the common folk human, exactly?

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Because, my friend, you aren't on IRC, on the channel where the selected social group that started that trend is! ^_^ If you knew what we planned then you wouldn't have posted that.

Oh and Marc, hm... I guess it IS important but uh...... what does it mean to the common folk human, exactly?


Plenty. If you know how to look at it. As I said, cross promotion has been non-existent among the Megapowers of the modern wrestling world, except among the independant federations. For Wrestling fans, and wrestling analysts, (and before you say word one, George, THEY-DO-EXIST) this opens new ideas, new perspectives, and in general, adds a feeling of newness to Professional Wrestling. Mainly because of the long standing rivalry that these two promotions have had over the last 12 years. It also means new things for fans of videogames, PC games, Trading Card Games, and much much more. It could also be a leading step towards something that hasn't been seen in the world for over 75 years. a SINGLE, *UNIFIED* World Heavyweight Wrestling Championship.

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......>_>.....

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Well then, there you go! It makes much more sense now! So um... they're unifying, right? I guess... that's cool for wrestling fans. (and no Marc, I DO know there are wrestling fans, you being the living proof of these things.)

So I guess this is good for you, hm? I'm glad! ^_^ I think it's wonderful.

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Originally posted by Star:
......>_>.....

What?

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Well then, there you go! It makes much more sense now! So um... they're unifying, right? I guess... that's cool for wrestling fans. (and no Marc, I DO know there are wrestling fans, you being the living proof of these things.)

So I guess this is good for you, hm? I'm glad! ^_^ I think it's wonderful.


I was referring to Wrestling ANALYSTS, George. Anyhow, to my knowledge, and in fact if you look at the interview I posted in my first post on this topic, then you know that the answer, at least for now, is no. The WCW will retain it's own identity. But there will be in all likelihood cross promotion. However, there IS the possibility that the WWF will dissolve the WCW by unifying it's World Title with the WWF World Title, and rename the other titles in WCW to WWF titles. Interesting side note, WCW is the ONLY promotion, at least, the only one known, to have had TWO World Championships. Nobody is quite sure why, but the reasons behind it are actually very interesting, if anyone wants to know. Be that as it may, the two WCW World Heavyweight Championships were unified in 1994 at the same event where Hulk Hogan first appeared at a live WCW event. (Clash of the Champions XXXIV, I think.)

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Glub.

Guys, I'd really appreciate not doing things like that. Maybe you aren't so interested in it, but I'd appreciate it if you at least respected the topic for the sake of those who ARE interested, whether they're wrestling fans or not. Ok? Thanks.

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Have a nice day


Hi Fer. ^_^ Hey, don't you live in New York when in college? How's this news affecting Wall Street?

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I live in Arizona now, I only went to study high school over NY. And the Wallstreet just keeps going down...

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Ah. Didn't know that. I ask because the WWF sells stock on Wallstreet. Anyhow, thanks for the update.

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Well I actually predicted something like this would happen, I sure hope they plan to do cross overs from WCW to WWF and the likes. Mabey we can finally see Stone cold beat the tar outta Goldburg.... I have an interesting question.. What about Hulk Hogan, I heard he was sueing WCW or something, now that WWF pretty much owns WCW what will happen now?
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Here's a rather interesting view on what could happen in the near future for the WWF and WCW as presented by someone on www.WrestleStock.com. This is in no way confirmed by anyone. But the theory, excpet for a few glaring plotholes, and a few out and out errors, is somewhat sound.

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WCW: Not His Father's Company
Shane vs. Vince: Which Promotion Would Win?

By Jeffrey Cohen
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Spoke with an avid WWF mark this morning about the WCW sale to the WWF. He kept insisting that Vince McMahon wanted "nothing to do with that loser
league."

He was wrong and missed the mark completely, of course.

WCW is going to be the WWF's training ground --officially. For years, it was the their unofficial training ground. People like Terra Ryzin/Jean Paul Levesque jumped from WCW to become HHH. Stunning Steve Austin. Cactus Jack. Even the Nasty Boys.

But how to work the entire promotion into an angle?

Simple.

WrestleMania has Vince vs. Shane booked for the undercard.

I expect the WWF to announce a stipulation to Vince vs. Shane -- "Loser Leaves WWF."
Shane loses.

At some point over the summer, the WWF turns either Live Wire or Superstars into the WCW show. A month or so later, they reveal the "mystery owner" - Shane McMahon, who announces that HE bought the group after selling his WWF stock.
He wants to beat his father at his own game. Now you have a long-term program in the making. Plus WWF fans would have a reason to watch WCW.

I also expect Vince to move at least one WWF
personality over to WCW to help "give the rub" to some of the talent.

I would pick the Undertaker. He's banged up, he's already worked with every major WWF superstar (having beaten and lost to them), but he's got heat.

Imagine Undertaker losing to Kurt Angle (or Chris Benoit, but now I'm dreaming) and showing up in WCW.

Think of the business WCW could do on PPV with WCW Champ Scott Steiner (or Booker T) vs. the Undertaker. They retain the title, of course. Then 'Taker gets back his heat squashing Lex Luger. Now you have the Undertaker vs. Bill Goldberg. 'Taker puts Goldberg over cleanly in the battle of monsters.

At this point, I think the Steiners have the tag titles. So you have Sid Vicious come back from his injury and you reunite the Skyscrapers. The last time WCW did that feud, nobody gave a damn about "Mean Mark" Calloway. Now they would.

Steiner, T, and Goldberg would profit enormously from the rub. Plus the WWF would definitely showcase the younger talent.

If they manage to build some ratings and buy rates, I think WrestleMania 2002/2003 would be the unification of the World titles. With Vince vs. Shane for control of both groups hanging in the balance, of course.

On the downside, Vince has never really cared for the cruiserweights, although that could be established as WCW's specialty.

So that's both sides of the monopoly. In the meantime, it's fewer PPVs to watch, and fewer PPVs to buy.


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As for your question, Wolve, yes, Hulk Hogan is indeed suing WCW. I'm not entirely sure what this means for Hogan. However, I DO know that his contract with WCW expired early this year or late last year. Which means he COULD conceivably resurface in the WWF. And Pro Wrestling Illustrated believes that he just might. A Wrestling Analyst in that same issue commented that Hogan's return to the WWF could be a shot in the arm for the promotion since, to many casual viewers, in their minds, Hogan was WWF Champion just yesterday. Hogan is also one of the very few wrestlers to hold titles in the WCW, WWF, AWA, IGPW, and has held multiple indy fed titles from around the globe. He even defeated Jerry Lawler for the USWA World Heavyweight title some years back, and then lost it back to him a few weeks later. So as far as Hogan goes? I couldn't really say for sure. But I for one would LOVE to see him as WWF Champion one last time. I'd also love to see him be the first ever seven time World Wrestling Federation Champion. But then I'D be the one who was dreaming.

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^^ DANG SKIPPY THAT WOULD KICK ASS! I'd personally love to see him come to the ring with his REAL AMERICAN theme he used to have.
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<_<..... >_> ..... ^_^!

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Hmm that'll be interesting to see if the two federation's superstars can get along...

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I do not like the idea. I have never liked WCW at all. Cross promotions may be interesting for a while, but some of the young talent may never get a chance to shine. The WWF has only so much air time that people can watch and they will stick the biggest stars on that show. The poor new folk are forced to be on a show that airs at like 12:00 midnight. If they are still on different scheduels than it is still good, but if they merge the two than I am afraid that I could not take it for long. I am a die hard Undertaker fan anyway, but I hate to see the APA etc. not given the time that they deserve in the spotlight. They are forced to sit back and watch the same teams fight over and over with the same result. I have been waiting a while for the Undertaker to get the title back, but now with the two merged I am afraid that there will be to much talent for what shows the WWF has now. If they can get more time slots than this would be fun to watch for a little while. I have always wanted to see Goldberg fight Kane, Taker, or others like that. Or is Goldberg even there anymore? It does not matter. Farewell. This may or may not be a good idea.

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I do not like the idea. I have never liked WCW at all. Cross promotions may be interesting for a while, but some of the young talent may never get a chance to shine. The WWF has only so much air time that people can watch and they will stick the biggest stars on that show. The poor new folk are forced to be on a show that airs at like 12:00 midnight. If they are still on different scheduels than it is still good, but if they merge the two than I am afraid that I could not take it for long. I am a die hard Undertaker fan anyway, but I hate to see the APA etc. not given the time that they deserve in the spotlight. They are forced to sit back and watch the same teams fight over and over with the same result. I have been waiting a while for the Undertaker to get the title back, but now with the two merged I am afraid that there will be to much talent for what shows the WWF has now. If they can get more time slots than this would be fun to watch for a little while. I have always wanted to see Goldberg fight Kane, Taker, or others like that. Or is Goldberg even there anymore? It does not matter. Farewell. This may or may not be a good idea.

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Because, my friend, you aren't on IRC, on the channel where the selected social group that started that trend is! ^_^ If you knew what we planned then you wouldn't have posted that.


I don't care if it's on IRC or whatever that plan IS,this ^_^ stuff(which means it's all good) has been around since the time u were in diapers!
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Personally, Wolve, I'd agree with you on Hogan using Real American as his theme again.

Now as for LOD's comments, let me address that real quick. At this time, there is no confirmation that the WWF will fold WCW and merge the rosters. As Linda McMahon said, as posted here, for the present time, WCW will retain it's own identity, and could very well be re-launched on TNN or other Viacom networks like MTV. It already has a show on UPN, so that's not entirely out of the question. For my money, cross promotion is the best idea they could utilize at this moment. To be honest, while I would love to see a unification of their World titles, I do not want them merged into a single federation. I'd much rather see them cross promote the way the NWA did back before iot fell apart. Both the WWF and WCW were members of the NWA, so while they've been rivals for the last twelve years since the NWA's collapse, they also worked together back under the ownership of Jim Crockett and Vince McMahon Sr. But again, who knows what might happen in the near future. I'll try to keep you posted.

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This is sort of off topic. But you'd be interested in knowing that the guy responsible for removing WCW off TBS in conjuction with Ted Turner would be none other than the infamous Jamie Kellner
of AOL/Time Warner fame. I'm sure YA'LL know who HE is. =p

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This is sort of off topic. But you'd be interested in knowing that the guy responsible for removing WCW off TBS in conjuction with Ted Turner would be none other than the infamous [b]Jamie Kellner
of AOL/Time Warner fame. I'm sure YA'LL know who HE is. =p[/B]

Can you substantiate that?

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Just for those interested, WCW Spring Break-out 2001 will be the final installment of WCW on TNT, so if you can't catch the 8-10 showing because you wanna get the 9-11 showing of WWF RAW IS WAR, be sure to slip in a cassette and record the 12-2 showing of the replay, it'll be history in and of itself, and from a standpoint of both wrestling fans, and for those in the business, it'll be the end of more than 16 years worth of TBS history.


WCW originally aired on WTBS, and later TNT, back when it was part of the National Wrestling Alliance. It was originally called GCW (Georgia Championship Wrestling), and featured such legendary commentators as the late great Gordon Solie, Jim Ross, and on occasion, Jim Crocket, the owner of the NWA itself. Later renamed to WORLD Championship Wrestling in the mid 80s, WCW was the only survivor of the collapse of the original NWA, as many of it's promotions either closed down, or were relegated to only getting TV access in their promotional Radius'. WCW maintained the fight to beat out the World Wrestling Federation in the ratings war, and the period between 1994 and 1998 saw the two promotions trade the leasd back and forth. So now, more than 16 years later, it's almost hard to imagine TNT and TBS WITHOUT WCW Programs. But in retrospect, WCW's downfall did seem to have been preordained. After all, Clash of the Champions XL was the last of the legendary events held live on TBS between two and three times a year, the first of which was held in 1988. But all in all, while these days the NWA and WCW wrestling shows may seem inferior, it will be hard to see them gone from the Turner networks. However, I have high hopes that the creative team of the World Wrestling Federation will be able to help elevate WCW to new heights when and if it is re-launched on the Viacom networks.

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"the only survivor of the collapse of the original NWA"

hehe *grins and is thinking of an entirely different NWA*

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So it comes full circle.

Ted Turner's dream when he launched WCW was to compete with and destroy WWF. Now, not only has Turner sold WCW, they're backing away from all wrestling programming.

The BIG question is this, facing still declining TV ratings, can WCW survive as a 'part' of the WWF empire? Vince McMahon is already in trouble with his XFL joint venture with NFC. Rumor has it he wants to 'pull out' of that deal next year.

Did he buy WCW with the long term plan of 'shutting it down' so that nothing remains EXCEPT the WWF? (sorry, but the ECW and NWA are hardly competition for the WWF). Time will tell, but I think overall that perhaps pro wrestling as a whole is heading for decline...

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Speaking of tonight being the last Nitro... I was really happy to hear that the Hardyz and Edge and Christian and another WWF superstar would be there. It may have just been a rumor, but my friend LJ pretty much confirmed it, so that should be pretty cool. Hey maybe the Hardyz can get back up with Shane and Shannon and be like Omega again.
I tend to disagree about the decline of wrestling popularity, though. After all, several years ago, wasn't the WWF against WCW what everyone wanted to see anyway? Just a thought I guess...

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As long as McMahon gets rid of Kevin Nash I have no problem with this.

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